"Why bother to learn anything new when you know the other side is evil?" [GUNS & POLITICS]

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 03/03/2018 at 08:11 • Filed to: None

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A 1935 Hupmobile Aero Coup for your time

The ties that bind us as Americans are strong and durable, but the great challenges that formed them are receding into the past. Geographic differences create cultural differences, and cultural differences hasten ever-greater geographic change.

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ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 08:52

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America, and perhaps the world, will be broken by social media.

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 08:56

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Every parent in America has to worry about their kid being gunned down while at school. Not by a terrorist organization, or an invading army, but by some random Anerican with a gun. People of color have the extra concern of worrying about their kids being gunned down by law enforcement.

Anyone who thinks the debate is what’s breaking America isn’t paying attention. If they are paying attention, they aren’t thinking very critically about what they’re seeing.

Mercedes Streeter > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 09:16

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While guns may cause America to BSOD, I think the Internet is overall what is breaking much of civilization.

Think about it, prior to the proliferation of the Internet into everything, you had to watch the local news, listen to the radio, or read a newspaper to find out what’s going on in the world. Sometimes news of a certain event never traveled far from the locality in which it took place. Further, few had a camera in their pocket, ready to capture at a moment’s notice.

The Internet and its global reach allows allows a crime to happen in Hebron, IL. then reach the world with high definition video in mere minutes. Bad actors from another country can influence our country from the comfort of their homes.

I believe this is part of what is amplifying this country’s (and the world’s) division. There’s more information on practically everything than ever before and more people can access it than ever before.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 03/03/2018 at 09:33

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And drones.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 03/03/2018 at 09:41

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Americans incapable of critical thought? How dare you suggest it? I hate you! You hate America!

The author’s point, as I read it, is that we are unable to discuss the differences. We are inculcated with talking points that are simple — and false — dichotomies. Nobody is ready to listen to anybody. They hear what’s being said to them on cable news and social media, but they do not listen .

So in my small way, in my interactions with others, I look for opportunities to foster constructive dialog, to get people talking. And in order to get people talking, generally, a change of views is not the necessary outcome, but a simple acknowledgement. “Yes, I have listened to you and I understand where you are coming from.” Then can begin the quest for common ground. And we need to call out our own. We especially need to call our our own when they are obstinate or unreasonable or hateful .

I may not save America, but I might save 0.0001% of America.

Ash78, voting early and often > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 09:42

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My son’s tiny private school (K-5, maybe 200 kids?) had a full lockdown drill the other day, including overturning their craft tables to provide visual cover.

Yes, I’ve already written both of my senators about this. I’ll keep saying it: Gun ownership needs to be far more elite than it is. I feel the same about operating a car (which kills a lot more people), but it makes more sense to start with the one that can be hidden and carried into a school.

Nobody is showing up at the front desk in a trenchcoat, planning to drive a concealed Twingo down the halls. If they did, I’d be open to discussion about the 25-year rule.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Mercedes Streeter 03/03/2018 at 09:43

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And blurring arbitrary lines on maps.

Internet and social media amplify the sketchy motivations of others.

Nothing > ttyymmnn 03/03/2018 at 09:44

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This old Jesus Jones song from 1993 is appropriate now.

Across the world the message flies
Information, truth and lies
It’s all yours and it’s all mine
You just have to find the time
We’re all the same, we share the blame, we play the games
If it’s yes or no the decision is easy, it’s easy
Zeroes and ones will take us there.
Zeroes and ones will take us there.

This time the revolution will be computerised
You’ll know it as you do it
In real time before your eyes
Slip between realities
There’s more to this than anything that you or I can see
The world is mine the world is yours and here’s the cause
Zeroes and ones will take us there.
Zeroes and ones will take us there.

I’ve stared into the heart of it all
Seen the pictures on the wall
The beat of a heart
The oceans part and the patterns in my mind

This time, we’ve split the world once more
There’s those that have and that don’t in information wars
Wer’e not alone ‘cos all is known and it’s everywhere, it’s everywhere

Zeroes and ones will take us there.
Zeroes and ones will take us there.
Zeroes and ones will take us there.

TheRealBicycleBuck > DipodomysDeserti 03/03/2018 at 09:54

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On the contrary, we DO NOT have to worry about our kids getting gunned down in school. Even with the proliferation of mass shootings, our kids are FAR more likely to die in a car wreck. Human beings really suck at understanding statistics and probabilities. This is why so many people fear getting shot while at the same time have no fear about driving down the road at 70 MPhil.

I have two kids in school. I’m much more worried about them getting there safely than being shot while there.

Spanfeller is a twat > TheRealBicycleBuck 03/03/2018 at 10:01

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I you are right.

The only problem is that, as a society, Americans have agreed that they need safer cars, and as a society they have all agreed to make crash testing tougher, road surfaces better, and driving courses more thorough.

Whereas with guns, we have seen many states actively look to deregulate certain things.

Spanfeller is a twat > Mercedes Streeter 03/03/2018 at 10:02

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I think its a thing of learning how to use this very powerful tool and understanding the implications of it. But that will take time and rationality....

Spanfeller is a twat > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 10:04

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Using Germanic wording to describe “culture clash” seems appropriate... Raises no red flags!

/Lugenpresse!

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Spanfeller is a twat 03/03/2018 at 10:11

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Our species has existed for so long that the effect of the internet could take tens of thousands of years for selection to optimize us for this new environment. I mean, we’re talking about something that has only really been available to a large subset of the population in developed nations for around 20 years. That is, it hasn’t even been a single lifetime.

Spanfeller is a twat > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 03/03/2018 at 10:19

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We have also become adapted to very extreme things, like airtravel, or actively seeking to live in a desert.

...Looking at you Scottsdale....

Anyway, I don’t think we need to formally “evolve” into Homo Sapiens Snapiens. In the end we are social animals and adapting to mass forums and demonstrations of information has been our specialty ever since we discovered organized agriculture.

Spanfeller is a twat > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 10:24

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An excerpt of a book I wrote last year:

Under almost any circumstance, California becoming independent would be negative and also improbable, as of now the “yes California” campaign is merely looking for semi autonomy.The continued division in the American public-is caused not by conviction or political ideals-but by targeted media, gerrymandering, disinformation, and social isolationism. If you disagreed with your family or coworkers about a political topic, you could just log in online and have your views validated by someone in the other side of the country and never question your ideas, or your sources. This is a plague that would be easily cured if lawmakers could stop gerrymandering districts, and media outlets sought to report the truth beyond the profitable industry that is making people believe they are smarter than others or that their “truths” are, always, under attack.

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In this novel, California became independent from the United States in 2030, after another crushing, country dividing policy. But, on that note, we return to the first paragraph and what “feelings” mean. It seems that today, feelings are litigated by the media and are accepted as truths by the public. We forget over time the value of truth— after all history does repeat itself— and find ourselves divided and confused. We need to fight for the value of truth, and we need to accept reality and accept compromise. We cannot kid ourselves and pretend that feelings, allegations, exaggerations or even lies are statements equal in value to truth.

Rico > Mercedes Streeter 03/03/2018 at 10:38

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I think the Internet is overall what is breaking much of civilization.

Ding ding ding

Rainbow > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 10:44

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I think the main issue is people who automatically insist that any change in laws or practices is somehow a violation of the constitution. It’s not. Hell, even going so far as to ban all guns (which nobody is trying to do, anyway) doesn’t impede the 2nd amendment. After all, it only says “arms.” Not “firearms.”

And that seems to be the only argument from that side. “But the constitution!”

What we need is to band together for SOME sort of sensible change. The problem is entirely in the people who are scared of change.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Spanfeller is a twat 03/03/2018 at 10:52

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But we really haven’t become adapted to these things. We have made them possible through intelligence offsetting our inherent limitations. If cars had existed with our species for tens of thousands of years, they would have altered our physiology so we would be more likely to survive car accidents and our minds so we would become hyper vigilant when operating one.

Humans of today are optimized for somewhere between living as hunter-gatherers and very basic agrarian life, neither of which are that different compared to modern life. We’re also optimized for small tribal groups that max out at roughly 150 members (scientifically proven, although outliers do exist).

Spanfeller is a twat > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 03/03/2018 at 10:56

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Are you saying that having less than 200 instagram followers is healthy? YAY!


Joke over....even with these optimizations we have given a really good crack at societal living... plus, you said it yourself, the internet is too young still, I bet that 20 years into air travel it was also the exploit of developed nations and the very lucky too, it also was abused by many because it was still getting started. It will take a long time, maybe 60 years to fully cement the constrains and freedoms the internet provides.

NKato > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 11:09

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Nevermind amplifying the sketchy motivations of others, it squelches honest people more often than not. This needs to change.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Ash78, voting early and often 03/03/2018 at 12:16

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I hear you, but I would offer you this one thought: the privilege to drive does not have its own Second Amendment. Not that I’m trying to slam your comment, but mentioning what the Other Side would say to slam your comment.

In every respect, though, I suspect that your views and mine on this matter are quite similar.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Spanfeller is a twat 03/03/2018 at 12:18

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I think California and the greater US are bound and cannot live without each other.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Rainbow 03/03/2018 at 12:19

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I am interested in how some businesses are weighing in, particularly Dick’s and Walmart. They’re not impeding anybody’s rights, they’re just deciding whether or not to refuse service to anyone, which, wouldn’t the Right argue, ought to be a business owner’s right?

Spanfeller is a twat > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 12:22

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Definitely. That’s why I have that disclaimer atthe beginning of the book.

Some part of me thought that maybe it would be famous some day and I didn’t want it turning into some sort of manifesto for those people.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > NKato 03/03/2018 at 12:22

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Will you expand upon that for me? How do you see honest people getting squelched?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Mercedes Streeter 03/03/2018 at 12:23

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Bloody Screen Of Death?

Your boy, BJR > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 12:36

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Guns are really cool. I love guns. I do not want to own one, nor do I think anyone untrained should own one.

Crack down on the well regulated militia bit. Make gun ownership contingent on military participation. If you want to own a gun, you gotta know what it’s like to kill.

*my views do not speak for most people who vote the way I do, and should not be used as an example of any school of thought besides mine in particular*

DipodomysDeserti > TheRealBicycleBuck 03/03/2018 at 12:40

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Yes, kids are far more likely to die in a car wreck, which is why we have things like seatbelts, air bags, child restraints, safety cages, crumple zones... People are afraid of driving down the street at 70mph, hence all the safety equipment. Not too many people sending their kids to school on motorcycles.

There’s not a goddamn thing, other than cash, from preventing someone from buying a gun and walking into a school with it. We waged two decades long wars when 3k people were killed in a terrorist attack, yet we’ve done to stem the tide of gun violence in our country.

Just because something else is more likely to kill your kid, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t also focus on other things. That’s an absurd way to view the world. Should I not vaccinate my kids, or bring water and safety gear with us on hikes since they’re more likely to die in a car wreck? Maybe I’ll just leave my guns loaded and laying around the house since, statistcally, they’re more likely to die in a car wreck than shoot themselves. What an absolutely moronic argument to make.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Your boy, BJR 03/03/2018 at 12:52

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It’s good. I don’t hate you nor think that you are evil.

People talk about Australia, where they took away all the guns, when they ought to be looking at Switzerland, where everyone serves in the military and buys their off-lease guns after they’re done serving. (Well, not everyone buys their old gun, buy many do.)

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 13:41

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It’s a great distraction from the DOTUS regime, the worst and most fascist ever.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 03/03/2018 at 13:47

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DO NOT SPEAK ILL OF THE DEAR LEADER YOU HATE AMERICA I HATE YOU LIBERAL SCUM DIANE FEINSTEIN NANCY SCHUMER WHERE IS MY GUN BECAUSE BARACK OBAMA LOCK HER UP

TheRealBicycleBuck > DipodomysDeserti 03/03/2018 at 14:14

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Let the hyperbole and hand waving begin! False equivalencies do little to further your argument and only serve to reinforce the points made by the original article. Take a big step back, a few deep breaths, and then try again.

DipodomysDeserti > TheRealBicycleBuck 03/03/2018 at 14:27

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I don’t know what you’re on about, but as a gun owner, it’s people like you that really give us a bad name. Instead of having an intelligent conversation, you basically just blather and try to paint others as hysterical.

That’s what the article was about.

The real issue is that a whole lot of Americans lack empathy. And owning a gun while also lacking empathy is a terrifying situation.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 14:38

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Butterymails!

But seriously, I have no doubt that some of the faithful are loving this debate popping up right when the corruption of the regime is becoming more newsworthy.

Ash78, voting early and often > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 14:55

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Sure...but just like the First Amendment doesn’t trump libel, slander, or “yelling fire in a crowded theatre,” I think there is precedent to limit those rights a bit based on experience. Common law depends on that.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 03/03/2018 at 15:12

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I am developing an actual interest in where this all goes. I mean, the guy is literally alone. But real talk: today, he starts a trade war because he’s mad. Tomorrow, will he go and hit the Button? Would anyone stop him? Will there be an assassination in the Oval Office?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Ash78, voting early and often 03/03/2018 at 15:16

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But you are saying reasonable things. There is no room for reasonable things these days.

I think whatever the outcome of POTUS 45, the country will be further right than it would otherwise have been. I imagine a great many people coalescing toward the center which, granted, is way to the right of where some other nations are. But when the Mormon Jeff Flake starts looking like a good alternative to a guy who would vote for Barack Obama again in a heartbeat, then things have indeed lurched. My favorite politician? Goofy Elizabeth Warren. I just like her, that’s all.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 15:39

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I’m curious how the divestment of gun stocks will hurt when these manufactureres and stores have a glut of supply, and manufactuing over capacity. This article is almost a year old.

http://fortune.com/2017/04/01/trump-gun-industry/  

“deciding whether or not to refuse service to anyone”

businesses only get to decide when it fits our ideolocal narative. this is done on both sides but becomes incredibly rich when one wraps themselves as the party of free business.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nra-discount-that-triggered-delta-showdown-was-barely-used/

https://jalopnik.com/donald-trump-doesnt-even-know-which-mexican-toyota-plan-1790828111

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 16:26

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The trade war stuff is amazing, and is more distraction. I think the boom is about to be lowered on Kushner, Mueller isn’t slowing down, his pal Manafort is screwed, Icahn’s stock sale is a hot topic, and I think the Russians might be wanting to air some dirty laundry, too.

It’s obvious the piece of shit didn’t actually pay attention in business school - if he had, he wouldn’t go down the trade war route. It has never worked before (just like trickle down nonsense), and it won’t work now. But it will distract the media and the base, including some here, from the corruption and crypto-fascism.

Sadly, we’d need more than one to get things back on track.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 03/03/2018 at 16:31

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Two things amaze me. First, that all of these crooks would go to the White House thinking that their past misdeeds would not be discovered. Second, that people make excuses for 45 and explain him away. Just leaves me shaking my head.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 16:38

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They know the orange pile of feces will pardon anything. I hope the investigations don’t finish until his reign is up, and then let the guillotines start slicing.

What gets me is that educated young people right here on Oppo deflect and cover for him time and time again. Maybe it is time for this union to split, as it definitely seems to be on geographic lines.

OmerCarrothers333 > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 17:07

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I believe they do something similar in Israel.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 17:38

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I don’t think the gun debate is any different than a mirade of issues facing our society. there is a book on AI, I can’t remember the author, the first third is 200 years ago we were 90% farmers and rural. We “slowly” industrialised from the the 1830s to 1920s, shaping our economic/social/political framework, only by the 70s enter into a service economy. We only adjusted for industrialization before shifting again. Meanwhile we still haven’t adjusted to the service ecomy and were entering the gig economy with who knows what AI brings. His major point is things are rapidly changing and the only thing that will stay the same is that pace of change will at minimum will stay the same, or in the case of AI change at a rate we have no idea of.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > fintail 03/03/2018 at 17:44

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presidential pardons only work on federal crimes. with the kushner family in NY I’m sure there is some NY law that could be used.

  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/31/trump-and-manafort-get-big-reminder-that-pardon-power-does-not-extend-to-state-crimes/?utm_term=.382af19ab29e

fintail > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 03/03/2018 at 19:23

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I can seriously give thoughts and prayers to that becoming reality.

Funny, for as horrid as Chris Christie is in nearly every avenue of his career, I believe the one reason he was banished from the Trump corruption cabal is because he helped lock up daddy Kushner. Jared is the son of a conman son in law of a conman, and a con himself.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > fintail 03/03/2018 at 20:02

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Oh I’m sure. the campaign staff size is spread out , but the WH is surprisingly small. I can’t imagine that type of beef letting bygones be bygones.

TheRealBicycleBuck > DipodomysDeserti 03/03/2018 at 20:17

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“I don’t know what you’re on about, but as a gun owner, it’s people like you that really give us a bad name.”

It’s absolutely clear from your sentence that there is a lack of understanding. Everyone interprets the world around them through their own experiences. People like me don’t give gun owners a bad name. My kids didn’t even know there were guns in the house until they were teenagers. Their first exposure was at a gun range where we could teach them the right way to handle them in a safe, controlled environment. Most of my coworkers don’t know I have guns either. I don’t go on about my rights, even when they start waxing eloquent about their liberal views on gun control. So, please explain to me EXACTLY how I’m giving gun owners a bad name.

“Just because something else is more likely to kill your kid, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t also focus on other things. That’s an absurd way to view the world.”

No, it’s not an absurd way to view the world. I happen to know a lot about risk and probabilities. It’s reasonable to be cautious where caution is warranted, but it’s silly to get in an uproar over something that is very, very unlikely to happen. When it does happen, it’s tragic, and I’m not minimizing that. However, I’m not willing to rescind everyone’s rights just because a few nut-jobs showed everyone how nutty they really are.

“Should I not vaccinate my kids, or bring water and safety gear with us on hikes since they’re more likely to die in a car wreck? Maybe I’ll just leave my guns loaded and laying around the house since, statistcally, they’re more likely to die in a car wreck than shoot themselves. What an absolutely moronic argument to make.”

And this is where the hyperbole begins. If you don’t vaccinate children, then children get sick. The risk of exposure to illness is very high. Don’t bring water on a hike and you are guaranteed to get thirsty. That one is nearly 100%.

Compare that to the risk of a school shooting. There are almost 139,000 primary and secondary schools in the U.S. with about 62 million kids. The risk of any child being shot on any campus is infinitesimally small. The leading cause of death is unintentional injuries all the way to age 44 where disease takes the leading role.

But even this is misleading. The probability of death for a person who makes it past their first year of life is less than 0.0009 until they are 20 years old. That’s one in ten thousand. That represents ALL causes of death. The accident rate is roughly four times higher than the homicide rate until the age of 24. That means the probability of death for kids (up to age 24) by homicide is somewhere around 0.000225. It’s is even lower if you just look at school shootings.

THIS is what I’m talking about. The risk is so small that it’s just not worth worrying about. Is it tragic? Sure. Would I be upset if it happened to one of my kids? Absolutely. But I prefer to put my energy into matters that affect many more people and are much more likely to happen. That’s why I work in disaster protection and recovery. That’s why I support cancer research and efforts to improve education. That’s why I was a professor and why I volunteer in educational programs.

So don’t be throwing rocks over here, Skychismo. I’ve read your writings. You and I are a lot more similar than you think.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 03/03/2018 at 20:25

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Nah. Let the people have their politics at the hand of a Republican who is at least human.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 03/03/2018 at 20:27

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And Trump is trying to get the federal funding cut for the bridge tunnel in New York and all of his business and JK’s business and the Kushner Family’s business is all in New York. I bet there’s some serious paybacks coming down the line.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > OmerCarrothers333 03/03/2018 at 20:28

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I believe you are correct. How do the Israelis protect their public schools from terrorists, I wonder? Are the teachers and administrators armed?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 03/03/2018 at 20:29

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NKato > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 20:49

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It’s not easy to explain. A lot of different examples exist. But primarily, the culture propagated by the internet has a tendency to favor the loudest, most obnoxious twats.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 20:52

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“nd all of his business and JK’s business and the Kushner Family’s business is all in New York.”

If the tunnel gets built, Manhatten real estate won’t look as good.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 20:59

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Are there any connected this regime?

Daddy Bush was Abraham Lincoln compared to this crew.

OmerCarrothers333 > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 21:01

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-dismisses-us-gun-lobbys-inaccurate-claim-about-gun-laws/

Pretty good look at Israeli gun laws that’s from 2012 that was written after the Sandy Hook Shooting. 

OmerCarrothers333 > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 21:04

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https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/22/why-school-shootings-are-rare-in-israel-where-guns-are-common/

and here’s something a little more recent.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 03/04/2018 at 00:35

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Really?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 03/04/2018 at 00:35

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Precisely my point.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > OmerCarrothers333 03/04/2018 at 00:37

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Thank you.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/04/2018 at 00:50

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speculating. As the tunnels primary purpose is to ferry commuters, completiion may have some looking outside manhattan for cheaper real estate.

on the other hand maybe he just went off the deep end like on friday, which is less comforting.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 03/04/2018 at 11:01

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And now he’s asking people for money to reelect him.

DipodomysDeserti > TheRealBicycleBuck 03/04/2018 at 13:11

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“I’m not willing to rescind everyone’s rights just because a few nut-jobs showed everyone how nutty they really are.”

Okay? I never said anything about rescinding anyone’s rights. The BATFE has my name, address, and serial numbers to some of my guns. I’d be one of the first to lose my gun rights if the great orange one decides he wants to become dictator.

The US is a significantly more violent place than other first world countries. The more money you have, the more you can insulate yourself from this violence. Your reality is going to be significantly different than an American with much less money than you.

I’ve had classmates shot to death, and several others permanently injured by firearms. I also have friends who have had to kill others in self defense. My brother has listened as his neighbors were shot to death.

Do I think people shouldn’t be able to own guns? No. The whole reason I own them is because of the experiences I’ve had on the wrong side of one.

As you’ve shown with your comment, gun violence is of a much greater concern to certain demographics of our country than it is to others. National rates of gun violence mean nothing if your neighbors, or multiple family members, have been shot to death. Our nation is not a bubble. There is a huge disparity in the everyday realities Americans experience which statistics don’t capture. To say that people who experience these realities are just hand wringing when they express a concern about gun violence touching their lives again, is just plain ignorant.

TheRealBicycleBuck > DipodomysDeserti 03/04/2018 at 15:23

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Damn. I’m not sure which part of the message just isn’t getting through to you. I didn’t say a thing about gun violence in general. I spoke about school shootings and only school shootings. The risk of a school shooting is miniscule. I say this while living between two of the most violent cities in the U.S.

I’m no stranger to violence. My own father accidentally discharged a pistol in our apartment. He used the same gun to hold me hostage on the day my mother told him she was leaving. He later held my mother at gunpoint and stole the car which she received in the divorce. I posted just a few weeks ago about how my best friend used an “assault” rifle to disable his ex-wife’s car as she tried to run over him.

You are correct that wealth insulates most people from gun violence. Even so, there’s still no reason to worry about mass school shootings. They just don’t happen very often. I worry more about getting robbed when I go to Orleans.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/04/2018 at 16:05

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I though the trevor noah joke was funny, “congratulations Parscale on your new position, just don’t ask about what happened to the previous one, or the one before him, or the other one before him.”